"Israel today, Israel tomorrow, Israel forever!" - Democrat Leader Hakeem Jeffries

[u/mtfujiwama]

https://youtu.be/LyvAHLrPGpg?si=SIZ2eM9rLKo1jRwD

[u/Brewbouy]

I have to admit that this whole "support Israel, or else" bullshit from our politicians has me feeling extremely unsupportive of Israel.

[u/thatweirdguyted → u/Brewbouy]

It is hard not to see it as an open system of bribes and foreign interference. Didn't politicians used to get arrested on simple suspicion of these activities? What changed?

[u/_the_last_avatar_ → u/thatweirdguyted]

The people who would prosecute for this are the same ones taking the money

[u/gidimeister → u/thatweirdguyted]

America has never been big on accountability for the powerful. I think it's just gotten moreso as wealth has, over time, gotten more and more concentrated among a few.

[u/Symphonic7 → u/Brewbouy]

AIPAC has taken note of this and is already testing other strategies. They fund newly established groups like "Elect Chicago Women" and "Affordable Chicago Now!" who conveniently do not have to reveal the source of their fundraisers until after the elections are over. I think its disgusting that they are disguising their actions with issues that people genuinely care about.

At this point any politician that supports Israel is not one I will be voting for.

[u/jacobythefirst → u/Brewbouy]

Honestly extreme obnoxious and combative support of another country, even if said country was like Luxembourg and not one like Israel, should put off anyone.

Do they not even see that such open support might make people think twice?

[u/SpectacularStarling → u/Brewbouy]

It's actually shifted me somewhat towards hating a whole nation, so I really don't get what their goal is.

[u/Jesuismieux412]

Replace him screaming “Israel” with literally any other country, then realize how absurd it sounds.

[u/ninjas_in_my_pants → u/Jesuismieux412]

"Turkey today, Turkey tomorrow, Turkey forever!"

-Me on Thanksgiving

[u/Piggywonkle → u/ninjas_in_my_pants]

"Chad today, Chad tomorrow, Chad forever!"

-Someone's wedding vows

[u/ninjas_in_my_pants → u/Piggywonkle]

"Mali today, Mali tomorrow, Mali forever!"

-A fan of raves and MDMA

[u/f1rstman → u/ninjas_in_my_pants]

Greece today, Greece tomorrow, Greece forever!

• a fan of KFC

[u/ninjas_in_my_pants → u/f1rstman]

"Iran today, Iran forever!"

- A marathoner

[u/PxyFreakingStx → u/ninjas_in_my_pants]

"Sudan today, Sudan tomorrow, Sudan forever!"

-An attorney with a vendetta against Dan

[u/ninjas_in_my_pants → u/PxyFreakingStx]

Jordan today, Jordan tomorrow, Jordan forever!

-Chicago Bulls fans in the 1990s

[u/Optimistic_Nihilist → u/ninjas_in_my_pants]

Hungary today, Hungary tomorrow, Hungary forever!

-All Mukbangers

[u/JaysFan26 → u/Optimistic_Nihilist]

Chile today, Chile tomorrow, Chile forever!

• Chili restaurant

[u/PresJamesGarfield → u/ninjas_in_my_pants]

"Iran so far away"

-A Flock of Seagulls

[u/ExistingCleric0 → u/ninjas_in_my_pants]

4 days of leftovers later: "maybe not Turkey forever..."

[u/SillyAlternative420 → u/Jesuismieux412]

"Germany today, Germany tomorrow, Germany forever!"

"USSR today, USSR tomorrow, USSR forever!"

Yea, that's fucked. It's even more fucked when it's not your country that your ranting about.

Fucking weirdos

[u/nighthawk_md → u/SillyAlternative420]

Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever

[u/Ronin_Chimichanga → u/nighthawk_md]

Djibouti now, Djibouti tomorrow, Djibouti forever

[u/ninjas_in_my_pants → u/Ronin_Chimichanga]

Djibouti up in my face forever!

[u/Carl_The_Sagan → u/SillyAlternative420]

Even England or France would sound ridiculous. Our closest allies for over 200 years

[u/Cynical_Classicist → u/Carl_The_Sagan]

Britain's government may lickspittle to Trump and give him a state visit, but over here we really don't see you as an ally, more like an abusive partner.

[u/kymri → u/Cynical_Classicist]

In fairness, there are a LOT of Americans who look at our government in much the same way. Looking at how the assholes in power have treated what were our true allies... man, it sucks. I don't blame people for how they reacted to that.

[u/Phydorex → u/Cynical_Classicist]

We were drunk and you know how we get when that happens. Come back baby and we promise not to hit you anymore, we are going to get help.

[u/iron_sheep → u/Phydorex]

Come on, you know I only hit you because you make me, but when I do it it’s really an act of love

[u/Dooby-Dooby-Doo → u/Phydorex]

we are going to get help.

We all know that isn't true though.

[u/Carl_The_Sagan → u/Cynical_Classicist]

well most citizens here still like you guys, even though or maybe because you use silly words like lickspittle

[u/Cynical_Classicist → u/SillyAlternative420]

The Fire Nation today, the Fire Nation tomorrow, the Fire Nation forever!

[u/uriman → u/SillyAlternative420]

Mongolia today, Mongolia tomorrow, Mongolia forever!

Long live the Great Khan!

[u/seeingeyegod → u/Jesuismieux412]

You dont need to replace it with any other country, it already sounds absurd.

[u/classic4life → u/Jesuismieux412]

It would sound unhinged even if it was America he was shouting. This is just sloppy treason.

[u/Laserdollarz → u/Jesuismieux412]

He gets a paycheck every time he says the word

[u/Tigerpride84 → u/Laserdollarz]

Brought to you by Carl’s Jr

[u/Taograd359 → u/Jesuismieux412]

Borneo today! Borneo tomorrow! Borneo forever!

[u/pakipunk → u/Taograd359]

Borneo is not a country.

[u/elevated-sloth → u/pakipunk]

Not with that attitude

[u/Taograd359 → u/pakipunk]

Well…this is embarrassing.

[u/TFJ → u/Jesuismieux412]

Liechtenstein today, Liechtenstein tomorrow, Liechtenstein forever! 🇱🇮

[u/mrbaconator2 → u/Jesuismieux412]

Or don't replace it with another country. leave it as is and realize how absurd it sounds

[u/phenomenomnom → u/Jesuismieux412]

I tried Ireland, but it was weirdly inspiring? Like I heard a tin whistle, pipe, and snare drums in the diatance.

... So I'm going with Jamaica. Now I am hearing it in a languid woman's voice, with an irie accent, and it sounds like a tv ad for a cruise line.

No shade on Jamaica at all. I am agreeing that this is a bizarre slogan.

[u/santoast_510]

The hell would you reference a speech that originally said segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever?!?

[u/IsmaelRetzinsky → u/santoast_510]

It’s insane. What did he say next, “We must secure the existence of your people and a future for Israeli children”?

[u/Ferelar → u/IsmaelRetzinsky]

"We want both parties in Congress to be separate but equal" -Hakeem "AIPAC pays me to cosplay as left" Jeffries

[u/Strength-InThe-Loins → u/IsmaelRetzinsky]

That comment was referencing the 14 words, a white-supremacist motto.

[u/-CosmicCactusRadio → u/Strength-InThe-Loins]

... What?

Yes, the comment you're replying to was making a rif on a known white supremacist moto, in the same way that Jeffries just used a rif on a white supremacist moto, but as a way to champion Israel.

Your response doesn't make sense in context, nor does the response from the other person claiming it's insane.

He, literally, did exactly that.

[u/Emptypiro → u/-CosmicCactusRadio]

perhaps he's explaining it for people who are unfamiliar with the phrase and its origin

[u/moonhexx → u/IsmaelRetzinsky]

The Israeli children that spit in people's faces? Those children?

[u/p_larrychen → u/moonhexx]

"I believe in a world where a Palestinian child and a Jewish Israeli child growing up in the Holy Land can look forward at their life and believe it is not going to be curtailed"

--Abdul El-Sayed

[u/surebudd → u/santoast_510]

Bc he’s a soulless Uncle Tom ghoul who has literally sold out his brothers and sisters to a foreign country that would commit genocide against him and his people given the chance.

[u/ididntseeitcoming → u/surebudd]

Crazy I caught a 72 hour ban for calling him that last week lol

[u/Legitimate_Mud_8295 → u/ididntseeitcoming]

Pretty sure most subs have a thing set up where if you get reported enough times you get banned automatically

[u/relevantelephant00 → u/Legitimate_Mud_8295]

Israeli/Zionist shills are all over this site.

[u/genflugan → u/Legitimate_Mud_8295]

It was a 3 day admin ban for me, for referencing the zee word. So nothing to do with individual subreddits or moderators. This censorship is coming from the top

[u/morphinetango → u/Legitimate_Mud_8295]

I got banned for saying goth music started out as post-punk in the r/gothmemes sub. I would have been fine with a thousand downvotes, but being banned is just lazy rebuttal.

[u/surebudd → u/ididntseeitcoming]

I get banned alllll the time for saying killing babies is bad, that’s anti-semitism according to… the torontobluejays sub hahah.

[u/Threadheads → u/santoast_510]

Because that fits pretty well for an apartheid state.

[u/time2fly2124 → u/santoast_510]

I wasnt aware of it with those words, but it sounded alot like the hunger games "panen today, panem tomorrow, panem forever"

[u/WhiskeyJack357 → u/time2fly2124]

George Wallace made the original speech and it ended up with the national guard having to be sent in to De segregate the schools

[u/Orange_Tang → u/time2fly2124]

They were literally referencing George Wallace in that movie.

[u/lisiatew → u/santoast_510]

That part!! 🤦🏽‍♂️

[u/Cynical_Classicist → u/santoast_510]

Yeh, we're all thinking of that George Wallace speech.

[u/Pack_Your_Trash → u/santoast_510]

It is a little on the nose

[u/Shoutmyname]

As a non American, I don't understand American politicians obsession with Israel. It's a foreign country for God's sake. They are elected to represent Americans , aren't they?

[u/Ok_Condition5837 → u/Shoutmyname]

Indirect & direct bribes.

Also - Israel funds their campaigns & threatens to fund their opponents campaigns.

[u/periodicchemistrypun → u/Ok_Condition5837]

Or just foreign proxy wars

[u/ImpressionCool1768 → u/periodicchemistrypun]

It’s very clearly both

[u/thesealights → u/Shoutmyname]

Because our government has been taken over by evangelical "Christians" who believe the 3rd Temple needs to be erected over the Dome of the Rock and five red heifers free from imperfection need to be sacrificed in said temple to herald the Rapture, appearance of the Antichrist, start the Tribulation, and then they magically come back from the Rapture for the 1000-year reign of Christ on Earth before the end of the world.

[u/WhenThatBotlinePing → u/thesealights]

For those of you who are like me and don’t remember any of this shit from Sunday school, it’s called Dispensational Premillenialism and it’s a wholly American invention of the late 19th and early 20th century. So like blue jeans but more culty. Also when an American refers to themselves as “Christian” without qualification (not Lutheran, or Catholic or something) they mean this. Baptists are also this (mostly). They also don’t think more mainstream branches of Christianity are real Christians.

[u/Spunky_Meatballs → u/Shoutmyname]

What is there to understand? Follow the money. It's completely related to power and money. AIPAC holds so much sway that cozying up to them is a political windfall

[u/cheviot]

This guy has no place in congressional leadership.

[u/poklane → u/cheviot]

*being in the US

If you wanna prioritize Israel above everything else, go pack your bags and move there. 

[u/coconuthorse → u/poklane]

A good portion of my tax money already supports them. Might as well live where my money funds. Free health care and schooling sounds pretty awesome.

[u/Acrobatic-Cost-3027 → u/coconuthorse]

We’ve put trillions into supporting their agenda and will you get any such benefit as American Jews have with birthright citizenship? Nope.

[u/voxpopper → u/cheviot]

Same guy that met with Kushner and then the next day helped get very pro-Iz Dems placed on foreign affairs committees so nothing would change even if/when Dems won the midterms.

[u/MurkDiesel → u/cheviot]

i mean, technically, he's perfect, when you consider the context

[u/cc882]

Why do Americans give a shit about Israel? Seriously, what’s the obsession and what’s the point?

[u/Kraken___ → u/cc882]

We don’t. The politicians do

[u/MeechyyDarko → u/Kraken___]

But why?

[u/Audiobro → u/MeechyyDarko]

$$$ and end times cult shit

[u/GuyNamedWhatever → u/Audiobro]

Mainly money

[u/FUCKTHEPROLETARIAT → u/GuyNamedWhatever]

I mean, there's plenty of elected officials who say something to the effect of "the bible says to honor israel, so I'm gonna honor israel".

pretty wild that people are openly admitting that they're voting on the basis of their religion, no?

[u/TesticleMeElmo → u/FUCKTHEPROLETARIAT]

There are plenty of people in America that elect politicians because they vote on the basis of their religion. But won’t stfu about sharia law which is the same thing

[u/WorthPlease → u/TesticleMeElmo]

Well yeah that's brown people religion so it's bad.

[u/champgpt → u/FUCKTHEPROLETARIAT]

Just because they say it doesn't mean they believe it. That sounds better to their voters than "I have been bought."

[u/funkyvilla → u/GuyNamedWhatever]

Citizens united

[u/GaeilgeGoblin → u/Audiobro]

Please explain to an outsider. US gives $4b a year to Israel. How much does Israel spend buying politicians? Is this money then funnelled back through politicians? Isn’t this just embezzlement with extra (genocidal) steps?

[u/complexevil → u/GaeilgeGoblin]

American politicians are shockingly cheap

[u/powercow → u/complexevil]

you can be cheap if you got a line of people who want to bribe you.

[u/Omen_20 → u/GaeilgeGoblin]

Israel pays a penny to politicians, politicians then use tax payer (national) debt to give Israel a dollar. 

Considering polling shows that Americans are not in favor of helping Israel, it's kind of like a dealership paying a local politician $500 for the politician to force an auto loan on their constituents. The dealer then drives around town in their brand new car. 

[u/Orthas → u/Omen_20]

Its even more fun than that. We approve 4bn in aid to israel, which is actually them buying stuff from our weapons companies, with our money of course, and BOTH israel and the military industrial complex bribes our politicians. Much harder to sell weapons during peace time.

[u/Well-Sourced → u/GaeilgeGoblin]

Israel spends multiple millions of dollars each year to support American politicians.

They both take them on nice trips...

AIPAC affiliate has funded lavish trips to Israel for dozens of Congress members since 7 October, filings reveal | The Guardian

....and donate directly to campaigns.

In America, politicians "need" donations in order to spend on advertising campaigns in order to raise awareness among the population they need to vote but don't pay attention. Politicians use this money to advertise and push their agenda to the voting population.

The more money they have avaliable the more likely they are to win and if the politicans wins with help from Israel they expect something back. If you vote against Israels interest they will give a lot of money to someone who will challenge you and you could lose your political power.

How Much Has Hakeem Jeffries Received Via AIPAC? Israel Stance Explained | Newsweek

For the 2025-2026 election cycle, OpenSecrets lists $49,565 in contributions associated with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee among the organizations supporting Jeffries. AIPAC ranked third on that list, behind Capital Group Companies and the Mortgage Bankers Association.

OpenSecrets told Newsweek on Friday that the $49,565 attributed to AIPAC represents money from individual donors whose contributions were facilitated via the organization, rather than money donated directly by AIPAC. It said it groups those contributions under the AIPAC umbrella because AIPAC facilitated them. Jeffries separately received $11,700 in direct contributions from AIPAC's PAC, according to OpenSecrets.

The total is considerably larger when looking at the broader category of pro-Israel contributions rather than AIPAC-associated contributions alone.

OpenSecrets lists $314,810 from the broader pro-Israel category among the industries contributing to Jeffries during the 2025-2026 election cycle. That made pro-Israel interests his third-largest industry source, behind Democratic/liberal interests and lobbyists and public-relations interests. OpenSecrets told Newsweek that this broader figure could include money associated with other organizations it categorizes as pro-Israel, as well as contributions from individuals it identifies as pro-Israel donors based on their giving history.

A separate OpenSecrets historical table puts Jeffries' total from pro-Israel PACs and individuals at $1,741,230 through the 2024 election cycle. That placed Jeffries 11th among the top 20 recipients listed and slightly ahead of fellow New York Democrat Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, at $1,727,974.

However, the $1.74 million figure is not an AIPAC-only total. OpenSecrets says the historical figures cover contributions from PACs and individuals associated with the broader pro-Israel category, and warns that the money does not simply represent contributions directly from organizations themselves.

Sludge reported that AIPAC PAC sent two payments totaling $149,300 to Jeffries' joint fundraising committee, the Jeffries Battleground Protection Fund, in May. Both were earmarked by hedge fund billionaire Daniel Och, and Sludge described the combined payments as the largest earmarked donation in AIPAC PAC's history.

A final way they put pressure on politicians is spying on them. Learn their secrets and blackmail them.

Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say | NBC News

[u/seeker_of_knowledge → u/GaeilgeGoblin]

Simply explained, they spend our money like they are playing monopoly because its not theirs, its ours.

Why should they care about spending billions of our collective money when they are given millions by lobbyists. In they end they spread the costs across all of society and keep the spoils of corruption all to themselves. They are turning a profit, the general populace is being robbed. System working as intended.

[u/dkz224 → u/MeechyyDarko]

A strategical jump point for any operations in the middle east. + proximity to valuable resources. Its basically a unsinkable aircraft carrier to the war Hawks and a sacred land to the fanatical evangelicals.

[u/ghostpicnic → u/MeechyyDarko]

It gives the American government a stronghold in the middle east so they can do nefarious shit and get cheaper oil.

[u/Toothlessdovahkin → u/MeechyyDarko]

They are corrupt. They are paid a lot of money by Israel. 

[u/definitely_not_obama → u/MeechyyDarko]

In the US rich people can give politicians near-endless amounts of money with little to no oversight.

This has never led to any corruption ever, because the US is the land of the free and a democratic country /s

[u/lika-sum-boodee → u/MeechyyDarko]

AIPAC

[u/70monocle → u/MeechyyDarko]

There are certain religious cults that believe that Jesus can only return if Jews hold certain land in the middle east. Its really stupid. The rest just like the money

[u/IMadeAnAccountAgain → u/Kraken___]

Come to Westchester county NY and you’ll meet scores of socially liberal, Democrat voting people who deeply, deeply support Israel. 

[u/FellowHuman420 → u/IMadeAnAccountAgain]

Let’s see, what does NY have a higher percentage of than any other state…

I’m on the other coast and other than some politicians the support is nearly nonexistent. My partner is Jewish too and her entire family (also west coast) couldn’t care less about Israel.

[u/ByTheHammerOfThor → u/cc882]

Most Americans do. Not. Give. A. Shit. I say this as a city dweller who grew up in the suburbs.

Do you think my retired suburban American parents give a fuck about Israel? Do you think they could find it on a map?

Our politicians take AIPAC money. That is why it’s in our politics.

Do you think a teacher in Oregon, a farmer in Iowa, a nurse in North Carolina, wake up and say: “I’m willing to make a lot of sacrifices and spend a lot of my tax dollars for [literally any foreign country]” ? Absolutely. Fucking. Not.

This is what happens when you let foreign money into politics.

[u/LEETLEBEENIS → u/ByTheHammerOfThor]

A lot of it is for religious reasons. I was rasied evangelical Christian and youre basically taught if you dont defend Israel no matter what, you won't make it in the end times. This is also beaten into you by all Christian media as well and a lot in church. And the way they make the suffering seem if you do dare to criticize Israel makes you never want to challenge that belief. My parents were pretty hard-core so that may not be everyone's experience but the left behind movies left a mark on me i dont think will go away (lol).

Edit: spelling

[u/ByTheHammerOfThor → u/LEETLEBEENIS]

We’re talking $168.5 million in AIPAC bribes just in 2026.

I have been to the South. After spending money on the mega churches that do nothing for the poor, I’m not sure they’d have that much lying around.

[u/EldritchCouragement → u/ByTheHammerOfThor]

thats a bit more than half what Elon alone spent on the midterms.

Free Palestine

[u/SpectacularStarling → u/LEETLEBEENIS]

taught if you dont defend Israel no matter what, you won't make it in the end times.

Damn, I can just imagine the guy originally writing this thinking "there's no chance this ever works, but you miss every ball you don't swing at." It's almost comical.

[u/LEETLEBEENIS → u/LEETLEBEENIS]

Also free palestine

[u/TimbersawDust → u/cc882]

It’s a satellite state for us to be able to assert dominance in the Middle East.

[u/CraigLake → u/TimbersawDust]

This is the reason. It’s America’s foothold in the Middle East which makes it much easier to access and exert control over Israel’s neighbors.

[u/GroggBottom → u/CraigLake]

Without Israel we would have to deal more with Turkey and no one wants to do that LUL

[u/NorthernDevil → u/TimbersawDust]

It’s crazy how people think it’s anything other than this, the U.S. has been the most powerful nation in the world for the better part of a century. We’ve toppled countless governments in pursuit of geopolitical influence. The middle east is massively significant to us for energy resources. But somehow that teeny ass country is the one pulling the strings? Be fuckin for real

People refuse to accept that we’re the problem

[u/ReadOnly-Passive → u/TimbersawDust]

If it’s a benefit to the US, then why does Israel have to lobby so hard to get us to fight for their interests, fight their wars, etc.?

[u/JimmyLipps → u/TimbersawDust]

And many folks won't believe who said if Israel didn't exist, America would have to invent one

[u/Schonke → u/cc882]

Okay, so the support for Israel in the United States isn't a single, homogeneous group, but rather many groups with similar interests/goals for different reasons.

You have Jewish Americans who support the state of Israel as a Jewish homeland because of their generational memory of centuries of persecution, being driven from their homes/countries and ultimately the Holocaust. For this group, Israel existing is important as a (not necessarily Jewish only) state and homeland available to all Jewish people, should they ever be persecuted somewhere again and need to flee.

Then you have the Zionists who are a Jewish nationalist movement, believing in Israel as a Jewish state. The movement predates the modern state of Israel by decades and isn't a religious Jewish movement, but supported and founded/pushed by people of multiple religions and nations. You have (had) forms of zionism from socialist zionism all the way to fanatically religious zionism. They all support Israel because they believe in a Jewish state with minimal other ethnic and religious groups.

Then you have the American Israel Public Affairs Committee which was founded very soon after the founding of modern Israel. Today they focus on increasing support for Israel among US politicians and citizens, and though they started out as a Zionist organisation, today they're less pure zionism and more pro-israeli state. They spend massive amounts of money on things like lobbying, creating opportunities and connections for pro-israeli politicians and activists, school campus activities, and in later years direct political advertisment through a PAC. They go hard against any politician they view as not pro-israeli enough and spend money and influence on promoting their political opponents.

Through that you have the opportunistic politicians who see how much financial support they can get for their own (re)election by just raking some pro-israeli stances and voting for pro-israeli policies.

Then we start getting to the really batshit insane US support for Israel.

In this camp you have the non-denominational evangelists and Christian Zionists who believe that the return of the people of Judea (Jews) to the biblical lands of Judea will usher in the second coming of Christ and/or the rapture when all true Christians will join God and Jesus in heaven while the sinners will remain on earth/go to hell/burn in purgatory. They support the state of Israel as they literally believe it is part of God's plan and necessary to reach paradise.

Then you have the neo-nazi supporters of Israel. The subsection of Nazis who don't see the extermination of Jews as necessary, just the removal of the Jewish people from the US. An Israeli state which accepts all Jews makes that so much easier.

There's also old, cold war geopolitical reasons to why US supports Israel as it was an important third world country in the power struggle between the west and the east, with Israel skillfully playing the soviets and the Americans against each other to achieve maximum benefits.

[u/gutclusters → u/cc882]

The Jewish community is a large constituency in Hakeem Jeffries district in New York, so that's part of why he cares. On a national scale, average Americans don't really care that much about Israel. Answering why the government cares would be too much to type on my phone, but it mostly benefits the military and intelligence.

[u/IamaFunGuy → u/cc882]

So back when I was growing up in Texas and being dragged to church every Sunday the survival of Israel was a huge thing to the "christians" I grew up around. But then they always ranted about how the "jews ran the world." It was very confusing. Still is actually.

[u/SousVideButt → u/IamaFunGuy]

Not too confusing when you learn that Christians believe we need Israel to exist to usher in their end times. They don’t give a flying fuck about the Jews having a nation of their own, they just want everyone to die.

[u/AndalusianGod → u/SousVideButt]

It's a death cult then.

[u/SousVideButt → u/AndalusianGod]

🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀 “Always has been.”

[u/JimmyLipps → u/cc882]

Americans use Israel in several ways:

Spreading "Western" hegemony. Listen to a young Joe Biden in '86. He says if Israel didn't exist, we would have invented it. USA and England basically dropped a tons of Jewish people forcefully in the Middle East. We give them money and they spread their version of Western Imperialism. It keeps American hands clean of the manipulation of military powers over there.

Summon the Return of Jesus Christ. Several sects of Christianity interpret Biblical "end-times" prophecies in such a way that they believe that by returning Jews to Israel that they can summon the end of the world and Jesus's return. This odd interpretation is older than the USA itself. Several of the Puritans who helped "settle" North America for Europe has this odd belief.

There are many more as other commentors are saying, but very few of them actually benefit the well-being of Jewish people, so don't fall down any antisemitic rabbit-hole. It's designed that way so that you incite hatred against Jews and make a "homeland" for them seem more necessary.

[u/HypnoticONE → u/cc882]

The only Americans that give a crap are evangelical Christians and politicians that take crazy amounts of campaign bribes from their PACs.

[u/rpc56 → u/HypnoticONE]

Evangelical Christians are the most gullible and dumbest fucks walking this earth. https://relevantmagazine.com/culture/we-made-it-7-other-times-christians-predicted-the-rapture-but-were-wrong/

[u/Acrobatic-Cost-3027 → u/HypnoticONE]

And, take note, Pete Hegseth - the head of the Department of Defense - attends a church that is led by one of the most influential evangelical pastors in the world. The US military is literally headed up by an evangelical…he is not fighting America’s wars. He’s fighting holy wars.

https://youtu.be/Zlz_0kwno0c

[u/_bits_and_bytes → u/cc882]

To name a few reasons: for the US, Israel is a key component to their foreign policy plan to maintain stability and control in the region. For decades, the US' stated goal is to have 3 powerful allies in the Middle East that will keep the region stable and under US influence. Israel is also the testing ground for lots of new military equipment from the US. Also, the evangelical base in the US believes the nation of Israel is necessary to bring about the rapture, and they very much want the end of the world to happen. There are lots of reasons why the US lets Israel do whatever it wants with no consequences. All of them are bad and have enabled an ethnostate eager to commit genocide.

[u/Jackthwolf → u/_bits_and_bytes]

*Maintain Instability.

It exists to keep the region unstable so that government's in the region can't decide "Hey why do all these foreign companies own our oil? Let's nationalise it!"

Israel is effectively an arm of (American) Capital.

[u/GreyPhantom100 → u/_bits_and_bytes]

"stable"... Right.

[u/Procedure_Gullible → u/GreyPhantom100]

i think when USA says Stable it means : subservient to USA imperialism. the empire wants to control the periphery and then extract wealth and cheap labor from them.

[u/koi88 → u/cc882]

The USA gives billions to Israel.

A few hundred millions come back via AIPAC and other (even) shadier ways to pay "pro Israel" politicians.

Israel wins. Zionist politicians win. What's not to like? /s

[u/combaticus → u/koi88]

don’t leave out military contractors and arms manufacturers providing weapons to Israel.

[u/kagethemage → u/cc882]

America has a long history of arming and aiding fascists in order to stop left wing governments from opposing American global domination. Israel is exactly that.

[u/WhatsReddits → u/cc882]

We don’t, our politicians are greedy soulless ghouls tho

[u/redloin → u/cc882]

Look how much each of these pro Israel politicians get from AIPAC or other related money sources. This guy took 1.6 million from Israel lobbies. When you raise your money from voters, you prioritize them. When Israel funds your campaign, you prioritize them. The real question is why does Israel get to bankroll so many politicians. 

[u/n8_Jeno → u/redloin]

Is Israel the only thing funding their campaign? What is their % when you include everything else?

[u/wildlifewyatt → u/cc882]

Huge amounts of money injected into politics. Some people thinking that Israel=Jewish people, so they can't (or refuse) to comprehend that criticizing the nation is different than the people. Others want to fulfill religious prophecies about Jewish people reclaiming the holy land. Others like that money to Israel = more dead Muslims. Many mix a number of these together.

Sad.

[u/SnooPeanuts1873 → u/cc882]

The people literally don’t, the government uses it to launder money.

[u/Ditto_is_Lit → u/cc882]

Surely you know it's not that deep bro. The obsession isn't about the Jewish homeland, it's about the funding he gets to stay on top. Money & Power are some of the most potent drugs you can create. It's more of an addiction than an obsession.

[u/CptSparklez]

Can't believe we make Israel such a big deal while our own country is going to shit.

What has Israel done for us that I can feel in my every day life as a middle class US citizen?

Edit: come on, where my Israel defenders at?

[u/YetiTrix → u/CptSparklez]

they've been lining the pockets of our politicians

[u/Purple_oyster → u/CptSparklez]

The real question is what has Israel done for our politicians

[u/justanothadumbcunt → u/Purple_oyster]

That’s easy, money, cold hard cash

[u/Acrobatic-Cost-3027 → u/CptSparklez]

Nothing. They literally take $4 billion dollars of our money every year, allowing them to offset the cost of paying for US government politicians (through the Israel Lobby / AIPAC and the others they’ve renamed to fly under the radar) who support their agenda. We will never be America first with this parasitic “relationship.” And this is not an anti-Semitic perspective. Even a significant number of American Jews oppose this.

We are literally paying them billions to hijack our government so we will support their colonization of Palestinian land, spend trillions to fight their wars, and fund their genocide. Ensuring an endless and exponentially growing supply of hate and threats from Middle Eastern nations.

Let that sink in.

[u/Dwashelle → u/CptSparklez]

Zero. They're pumped full of US money which they then use to buy US politicians. It's just insanity.

[u/shmere4 → u/CptSparklez]

It’s pretty fucked that we taxpayer fund a country that takes that money and uses it to bribe politicians to ensure that we continue to taxpayer fund the country.

[u/Shafter111 → u/shmere4]

It is more than tax payer money. It is the unconditional support to defend them at our expense and reputation worldwide.

[u/FaithlessnessThin359 → u/Shafter111]

Defend them implies that they are the victims and not willing participants and instigators. Were their muscle and that’s why there can never be peace in the Middle East. Because Israel and other us allies like Saudi Arabia never have to live with the repercussions of their actions. 

[u/MartJunks]

Quote is from 2014 btw

[u/MaceSpan → u/MartJunks]

Plug the source for the lazy (me)

Edit: I did it anyways. During the July 2014 Gaza war, U.S. Representative Hakeem Jeffries spoke at a pro-Israel rally outside the United Nations in New York City. During his speech, he stated that "Israel should not be made to apologize for its strength" and concluded with the declaration.

At this time I think he needs to focus on condemning the current actions against Israel

Edit 2: also loving these bot responses

[u/SillyAlternative420 → u/MaceSpan]

The bots are alive and well in this r/videos thread

[u/Orange_Tang → u/MartJunks]

I upvoted you because it's true. Context does matter. But also I don't think that changes how bad of a statement this is and I don't think he's changed his mind about this one iota since then. He's literally using a modified George Wallace quote.

[u/findthealgo]

Didn't seem that passionate when talking about Medicare.

[u/cosmo_K]

This is just so fucking weird. Seeing this as a non-American, it boggles the mind why so many Americans seem so desperate to be a vassal state. I simply can't understand it. What's the point?

Edit: I get the whole thing about money from AIPAC. But why isn't this seen as a problem? Why is it not seen as deeply anti-American? Not being pro-Israel is seen as anti-American. I can't think of any other example where a foreign nation plays this kind of role. It's absolutely bonkers.

[u/GlennSeaborg → u/cosmo_K]

I mean for the politicians, the point is the money they're being paid by pro Israel and pro zionist groups.

But for a non-Israeli, non-zionist to be cheering this on is just creepy. I guess there's anti-islamic racists that cheer for this too.

[u/DylanTheV1llain → u/cosmo_K]

Certain denominations of Christianity are convinced through scripture that in order for the End Times to play out correctly, the Jewish people must occupy the "Holy Land". My mother reminds me everytime she insists on talking about politics.

[u/DarkKnightoftheSol → u/DylanTheV1llain]

Yeah, this is how they get the mentally ill to support it. They're all arrogant little cultists that want to be alive when Jesus shows up to kill everyone. Except them, of course. They believe they'll be extracted to heaven to touch children for eternity. The project 2025 nuttos want Armageddon, and they support pedophilia too, so Israel is key to their insane world-ending scheme. Israel knows this and has bought and duped the US into becoming a vassal state, bankrolling their genocide and protecting the Mossad pedophilia network. They need to get slapped. Hard

[u/dinosaurfondue → u/cosmo_K]

Politicians don't actually care about Israel. They're paid massive amounts of money to pretend to care and will happily turn on Americans to send billions to Israel so that they can continue to commit genocide.

[u/GameOnDevin]

Man fuck this guy, let's worry about America and our issues before some country across the world

[u/nO0b → u/GameOnDevin]

you mean you'd rather your tax dollars provide health care for US citizens instead?!?

[u/alien_believer_42]

Isn’t this derived from a famous quote on segregation? What the actual fuck

[u/jonstoppable → u/alien_believer_42]

My god ..

"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever."

[u/Flimsy-Eye-4406]

I don’t care if you support Israel - unless you are an elected representative in the government of my country. Then I expect you to support my country, my fellow citizens and our interests. If you want to support a different country great but gtfo of my government.

[u/RandMob1000]

Does it concern anyone that Israel has our country under its thumb on all levels of government and industry?

[u/The_wolf2014]

Why is the US like this?

[u/amkronos]

How about move to Israel and be a full-time shill for them there?

[u/UserRemoved → u/amkronos]

Register as foreign agents and exclude them from office.

[u/sault18]

Segregationist Alabama Gov George Wallace at his 1963 inaugural address:

"segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever"

[u/aylaa157 → u/sault18]

What is he trying to say purposefully quoting a segregationist?

[u/mr9025 → u/aylaa157]

I think it would qualify as a dog whistle for where his true values lay. Maybe it was an accident.

But to quote a wise source:

“If you didn't know, you're too fuckin' dumb to keep this job. If you did know, you were in on it.”

[u/lew_rong]

Oh, maybe don't reference George Wallace in this context when people are already trying to kick you out of leadership, dude.

[u/crytol → u/lew_rong]

It was 12 years ago, not today. Still a weird ass thing to say, still indicative of too strong commitment to a foreign countey. But it isn't recent.

Still though, the convenient absence of any context or timeline on any of these posts is super dishonest and obviously only to stir a hornets nest.

This isn't honest critique of a politician, it's a coordinated mass harassment campaign.

[u/Zxwkkx]

Does people realize if he stays as the house leader, it would greatly hamper the election momentum? Might even affect the 2028 Election for the Democrats. i

f he stays as the Speaker, all those hopes raised leading upto and after the election will disappear slowly but surely.

Then it will again feel like both parties are the same no matter who you vote for

[u/rensorship]

Why?

[u/TheKriegerVan]

If he’s that devoted to Israel he should just move there and stop being a representative for a country he doesn’t care about 

[u/koi88 → u/TheKriegerVan]

he should just move there

I think the color of his skin would not make him overly popular among Israel's right wingers … 😅

[u/HalcyonTraveler]

The segregation speech???

[u/AWholeNewFattitude]

I honestly don’t care what side of the Israel/Palestinian argument you’re on, any US politician standing up and essentially professing their love for any another country in this fashion is disqualifying. Literally plug any other country into that phrase and it would be a disqualifying remark. You’re elected by US citizens to represent the interests US citizens at home and abroad, but you’re literally professing your love for any other country above that, that should be disqualifying.

[u/pandincus]

When is this from? Can someone share?

Edit: found it. July 2014 rally: https://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/comptroller-stringer-belligerent/

[u/JimmyPepperoni]

What a shill

[u/Additional-Ad8632]

“Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever”

That’s what a guy defending an apartheid state sounds like.

[u/mrv113]

The scarier part is when the people cheer for a politician that ends their speech by literally pledging alliance to another nation. US politics needs a lot to unfuck itself.

[u/Frank_Klepaki]

Apparently  this video is from 12 years ago

[u/ZuZu_Petals_]

As someone on the other side of the world, I’ve been watching in horror since 2016.

Round 2 of the shitshow has been frightening to watch, the corruption daily with no one stopping it. Finally the dems get the house majority and I’m back to feeling sick again with this Israel bullshit.

All of the hard work - the people being pushed to the limit financially, psychologically and medically. Voting in an historic election. Hope for this madness to end and for consequences for all of the rampant corruption. Then you’ve got these fuckheads - Schumer and Jeffries - chanting for Israel, promising unlimited money and support, while their own country is flailing and failing.

I hope it all wasn’t for nothing.

[u/CmdrFortyTwo]

No elected politcian should EVER be saying these words about ANY country other than the country they were elected in.

[u/fieria_tetra]

Isn't this the same slogan The Capitol uses in The Hunger Games?

"Panem today. Panem tomorrow. Panem forever."

[u/e-m-o-o → u/fieria_tetra]

It's the slogan George Wallace used about segregation.

[u/PetrolHeadF → u/fieria_tetra]

I think Hunger Games is also referencing George Wallace in the same way.

[u/Palor0]

Dude should be removed from office for being a foreign asset.

[u/bryan_pieces]

I support the Jewish people. Israel and all Jewish people are not one and the same. This lust for another country’s regime is disgusting.

[u/xT1TANx]

Get this man out of leadership. He's compromised.

[u/ipokesnails]

Impeach Jeffries

[u/Rokketeer]

This guy is so out of touch with his base, ignoring completely why the Dems just won.

[u/p_larrychen → u/Rokketeer]

This clip is from 2014, apparently

[u/SheZowRaisedByWolves]

I’m gonna be so fucking mad if the flipped states do Fetterman shit

[u/fotoRS3]

Fuckin fire this motherfucker.